“…have been heavy in the direction of control and reduction rather than expansion. Ray, in six months when you're forced to buy the new iPhone and show the grocery person a QR code that you don't have coronavirus so you can buy milk, what are you going to do? Leave, I think. Do you think? Where would you go? Yeah, that won't catch on for a long time in small towns in Latin America. In one of the articles you said that civilization's best chance of escaping the fascism is somewhere in Western Latin America.”