“…Again, in the 1970s, I was attracted to it by reading an article in which they had fed several groups, I think it was 15 groups of rats on different diets, including either a high-fat, saturated fat, a low-saturated fat diet, a very high polyunsaturated fat diet, and a very low-fat diet with only polyunsaturated, and so on, so that they had 15 different compositions, very high-fat, very low-fat, pure saturated, pure unsaturated. And at the end of their life, the leanest rats were the ones that ate the saturated”