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This free program is paid for by the listeners of Redwood Community Radio. If you're not already a member, please think of joining us. Thank you. Welcome to this month's Ask Your Herb Doctor. My name's Andrew Murray. My name's Sarah Johanneson Murray. For those of you who perhaps have never listened to our shows, they run every third Friday of the month from 7 to 8 p.m. and we're both licensed medical herbalists who trained in England, graduating there with a degree in herbal medicine.
We run a clinic in Garboville where we consult with clients about a wide range of conditions and we manufacture all our own certified organic herb extracts which are either grown in our CCUF certified herb farm or which we source from other USA certified organic suppliers. So you're listening to Ask Your Herb Doctor on KMUD Garboville 91.1 FM and from 7.30 until the end of the show at 8 o'clock you're invited to call in with any questions either related or unrelated to this month's topic of weight gain.
The number here if you live in the area is 9233911 or if you live outside the area the toll-free number is 1-800-KMUD-RAD. We can also be reached toll-free on 1-888-WBM-HERB for further questions during normal business hours Monday through Friday. Once again we're very welcome to have Dr. Raymond Peat to share his expertise on the subject tonight. Again one of those subjects related to something that he has a lot of experience with through his research into thyroid and progesterone other related compounds that are essential if you like for healthy metabolism and for anti-stress anti-aging effects.
So thanks so much for joining us again this month Dr. Peat. So I think as usual we want to give the benefit to those listeners perhaps who haven't heard of you or haven't tuned into this show before the benefit of your past experience so if you wouldn't mind just detailing your academic professional career to those people. After I had taught linguistics and English and such for a while I decided to go to graduate school in biology at University of Oregon and graduated there with my PhD in 1972 with specializing in physiology and biochemistry especially
reproductive physiology and right after I left university I worked for a while with the diet company counseling people in weight loss. So that was 41 years ago. Yeah. Okay well hopefully we're going to cover quite a lot of material here tonight I know the subject surrounding tonight's topic of weight gain or how to avoid it and what causes it etc etc will be pretty pertinent to a lot of people even if they're not overtly overweight. So I think one of the main things just to let people know about apart from anything else is that
you do actually have a pretty active Facebook fan page Dr. Peat whether you know it or not I don't know but it's an active repeat Facebook fan page for those of you who are familiar with Facebook and use it that's something perhaps you might want to look at this pretty lively debate and forum surrounding most of those topics that we've covered with Dr. Peat over the last few years. So I think one of those things that has come out of the forum and I know it's something that we've noticed ourself
but that's not to say that it's unavoidable because it certainly is and that's going to be the discussion of tonight's show. I think one of those things that people are asking each other on the Facebook page is how people can adopt your diet and not expect any weight gain. I know the thing that most people have talked about is some extra weight around the abdomen in relation to your specifications for diet. So Sarah what would you say? I just think that's quite a broad statement. You can't say that people adopt Dr. Peat's diet because
you know if we say milk is good for you and you go and you start drinking a half a gallon of whole milk a day you're going to put on weight unless you basically cut out all other calories. This is where I think people get confused like how much milk should I drink and if I don't want to gain weight should I drink whole milk or low-fat or you know. The same with cheese too. I advise eating cheese because of its high calcium and protein content but you have to consider the calories because
some cheese has practically no fat others are basically like soft butter for their fat content. Dr. Peat I guess what I wanted to start off with first then was asking you this. One of the main components to weight management then is a functional energy reserve coupled with a healthy metabolism and this is your expertise so would you outline perhaps what constitutes a healthy metabolism in terms of what we know is glucose oxidation versus the opposite the fatty acid metabolism that occurs with stress so our listeners can tell the difference.
Dr. Peat just to say that you've told us before that if somebody has an unhealthy metabolism they'll have a hard time burning 1200-1000 calories a day. About 30 or 40 years ago in which doctors used to follow the textbook standard that everyone can lose weight if they eat less than 1700 calories a day because that was studied in the 20s or 30s on healthy people and so they put a group of women who claimed that they were gaining weight on 1000 calories put them in a closed ward and actually counted how much
food they were eating and some of them could maintain their weight on 700 calories a day especially women who had dieted a lot because several adaptations happen to chronic poorly balanced dieting. The thyroid slows down and especially the muscle tissues atrophy from the stress of dieting and if you think of the stress metabolism as being very similar to the diabetic metabolism basically you shift over to burning fat rather than sugar. At rest your brain and red blood cells need sugar and they'll keep burning it
regardless of where they have to get it. If you don't eat enough of the necessary nutrients your body will convert your muscles to sugar to keep feeding your brain what it needs and if you are eating enough sugar or things which can be turned into sugar then your body doesn't have to break down its own tissues to make the necessary glucose for your blood cells and brain and in that condition your muscles at rest don't require practically any glucose. They can do fine on a pure fat diet but that's the resting muscle.
If your muscles are under stress after a very intense exercise the muscles will begin burning almost pure sugar. So it's the massive muscle at rest which will burn fat calories and leave the protein for your functioning tissues and sugar to sustain your essential brain and immune system. So this is why you're an advocate of muscle building because then it helps convert your fat into, well it helps your body to burn the fat for fuel rather than just using the sugar. Yeah and when the muscle is stressed it begins actually producing estrogen.
When you're building muscle in a safe way the muscle begins producing testosterone actually right in the muscle which helps the rest of the body. The heart is one of the main targets of testosterone. So well-developed skeletal muscles are actually sustaining the heart muscle as well as the brain and the lungs which need the stabilizing anti-inflammatory steroids. So is this why they find that when there's muscly people that they have longer lifespans? One of the reasons you think? Well yeah everything that tends to kill you shrinks your muscles. Fragility is the basic thing that
associates with aging. Bones and muscles go away at about the same rate with aging. Okay so getting back to what you've started to outline under what would be regular metabolism for the body to burn glucose preferentially rather than liberating free fatty acids to produce energy. The diet starvation type model would then force your body into utilizing stored fats for energy. Is that correct? Except when it does that it also needs to make some sugar for your brain and so it breaks down the tissues. The first to go
is your thymus which in just a few hours they used to think that adults didn't have a significant amount of thymus tissue because they looked at people who had died after being sick and even if you die slowly after a traumatic accident your thymus is gone. It just takes a few hours of intense stress for the thymus to be dissolved and so a long fast will just completely devastate your thymus tissues. It turns into sugar very quickly. That's important for your immune system right? Yeah and the skin is relatively dispensable too in the long run
so your skin atrophies very quickly with a fast or even a low calorie diet and then the muscles go, you can live months on your muscles providing sugar for your brain if necessary if you have big muscles. Lots of the women that I used to see who were there for a weight loss diet you couldn't find a bicep muscle or a calf muscle. They couldn't they would try to tighten their muscle and they couldn't feel or find anything either in their upper arm or lower leg. The muscle was
maybe the size of a person's index finger. So when they would first start eating a good diet, the first thing that would happen would be pounds of water loss. Their tissue would suddenly come out of the stress condition and get rid of some of the stored water. Then the muscle would start growing. The first week they might lose 10 or 15 pounds of water. For about a month they would start putting on weight as their muscles began growing. Muscles are denser than fat, right? A slender person with a well-defined muscular structure
would weigh more than a larger person that seemed large through fat. Yeah, we would have people measure their waist and thighs and hips and each week they would get smaller as they gained weight. Okay, as they started leaning and toning up they shrunk in volume or they increased in mass. So what about athletes and you know like long-distance runners, people that are very thin and lean? How healthy would you say their metabolism is? There was a study of using radioactive testosterone and they not only saw that the runners' muscles were atrophied
but comparing them to weightlifters who had developed huge skeletal muscles, with these isotopes they could make a picture of their heart, lungs, and brain and so on. All of their tissues had atrophied so that the lean long-distance runners also had lean, flabby hearts, very thin hearts. And here that's supposed to be a heart-healthy form of exercise. It's a stereotypical picture of health, kind of Kenyan long-distance marathon runner. You know a lot of things happen. Fertility is often reduced because the testosterone goes down and the very immediate thing that you can see in
even fairly low-intensity exercise is that the lungs lose some of their ability to diffuse oxygen in and carbon dioxide out. The actual substance of the lung air sac thickens with just a fairly moderate amount of continued exercise. Is that an inflammatory process that's causing that? Yeah, it's a kind of edema, mild inflammation. And sports anemia is a recognized thing. It's a combination of all of those little stresses and shift away from the anabolic testosterone to the... females are always relatively anemic because of the influence of the balance of estrogen relative to the
androgens. And sports anemia is somewhat like the feminizing effect of estrogen on the blood system. So the long-distance runner has a deformed heart and deformed lungs basically compared to the body builder. Yeah. Okay, well let's hold it there for a second. You're listening to Ask Europe, Doctor on KMUD Galbraithville 91.1 FM and from 7.30 until the end of the show at 8 o'clock you're invited to call in with any questions either related or unrelated to this month's subject of weight loss. Our guest speaker here is Dr. Raymond Peat
and from 7.30 until 8 we'll be open for questions. But Dr. Peat, moving on a little bit then in a tangent direction, are some people more predisposed to this kind of inefficient glucose oxidation from other courses like I know you've mentioned PUFA a lot or cortisol dominant type pictures? Yeah, lots of things can interfere with your higher rate of metabolism. Things that suppress your thyroid are the basic most common thing but anything that can increase your cortisol or even your glucagon can interfere with your metabolism, slow down your metabolic rate. Serotonin,
estrogen for example, both lower your body temperature and many stresses can increase those and those tend to increase the glucagon, shift you away from being able to oxidize the glucose and instead depend on fatty acid oxidation. So sluggish digestion could increase estrogen and serotonin and radiation could increase estrogen and serotonin? Yeah, the bowel is one of the ways to get rid of unneeded estrogen by way of the liver excreting it and if your bowel is sluggish you reabsorb it and if your bowel is irritated and sluggish it secretes much more serotonin than needed
which affects your whole hormonal system bringing up the stress hormones and contributing to lowered temperature. So eating carrots with vinegar or lemon juice or just carrots and taking liver herbs like cascara and dandelion root milk thistle can help with sluggish bowels? Yeah, and just eating what you consider to be the most delicious food can greatly help the intestine secrete more juices so things digest faster and move along more smoothly. So enjoy your food? Hopefully we can enjoy our food and and hopefully it's not enjoying pufas which is fried
whatever. As long as it's not fried in a coconut oil then it's bad for you. Okay, so let's get back to where we were at the beginning in terms of people mentioning that they can't help but gain a bit of extra mid-weight and I think what we're coming around to is that exercise and muscle building however small or however gentle, however gradual is one of the most important things when adopting a typical diet that would certainly replace all the nutrition that a person needs. I know your diet does that.
So in terms of gentle muscle building how do you advocate that to happen say in a sedentary 60-year-old lady perhaps? Just doing an occasional knee bend, squatting and standing up again and maybe getting some five pound dumbbells and lifting those in different motions. Just a few lifts two or three times a day and when you're doing that maybe squat once or twice. Right, because it really is about being actively involved in generating muscle however gently or however lightly the weight or the exercise would involve. Okay, because you're saying essentially that muscle
in its own right effectively burns glucose and the very presence of muscle with the increase in testosterone will actually improve the metabolic rate. Now another direction then, you've mentioned earlier on that you said, and this is for the guys I think preferentially because they probably have more of a chance to see this, but you mentioned foaming urine as being an indicator of an excess excretion of steroid hormone precursors and being a sign of stress. Well, yeah, in the morning you have generally been exposed to several hours of darkness and darkness is very stressful.
Just staying indoors too much gives you chronic stress from the absence of light but everyone in the morning is at their peak of being exposed to stress hormones from the darkness and during stress like starvation the hormones first try to mobilize energy production and that during the night involves increased free fatty acids. It's sort of like doing a little marathon during the night as far as the shift to fatty acids goes and your liver if it's well nourished and supplied with thyroid hormones will process steroids such as estrogen and cortisol which
reach it, the liver will attach either sulfate or sugar, glucuronic acid to make it water-soluble so that then it can leave in the bloodstream to the kidneys and be excreted. And in that attached to either the sulfate or the sugar it's like a soap. It's oily at one end and water-soluble at the other and so it makes foam. And during the night the fatty acids can be processed in the same way and the liver especially recognizes the unsaturated fatty acids but whatever arrives during the night is likely to contribute to that morning foam.
Okay, so I know you mentioned the liver's ability in storing glucose for the night time diet, fast if you like, for the eight hours that we don't eat. So given that a person's consuming adequate sugars during the daytime to stock their liver for the night time fast or given that the person would, as we recommend, and I know that you've been an advocate and suggestion of this, that they're eating a small amount of ice cream at night time before bed or they're taking a
glass of orange juice to bed with them to sip on whenever they wake up to get a little bit of sugar so that their adrenaline is kept down and their night time stress response doesn't occur. Do you think that is that still possible for somebody to have foaming more morning urine in the presence of sugars during the night time? The stress always occurs but if you're sleeping soundly and deeply there's less intense damage from the stress. So if you stayed awake in the dark you would probably have super foamy urine in the morning.
And this is something else, perhaps during the daytime if some of the guys notice what's happening with them during the day this again would be another indicator of insufficient sugars to block adrenaline and other stress hormones and that their system is reasonably stressed. Yeah I think so. And what about for females? Same thing. This is not as obvious. I'm only saying it because of how obvious it is. So going on to the shift in fat content or fat makeup that you advocate from are the recommendations that our listeners have heard over the last few years
in terms of increased saturated fats, switching to butter, coconut, palm oil, excluding all the liquid oils as sources of PUFA. I know you've mentioned in the past that the need to avoid PUFA is pretty paramount if you really want to make a change in your physiology but I think you've also said that it's very difficult to avoid it totally because you're naturally going to produce some. Well the natural foods milk, beef, lamb, coconut, oil and so on, these all have 2 or 3 percent unsaturated polyunsaturated fats. If you eat just a tiny bit more
then you're going to burn right away. Some of it gets stored in your fat tissue and what is stored is preferentially polyunsaturated fats. Your body recognizes that the good stuff to burn right away is the saturated fat right after the sugars. So it selectively doesn't burn the polyunsaturated fat quickly and so it's the most likely to be stored but then your fat is the same way. Fat cells prefer to burn saturated fat and so whatever you've stored in your fat by eating more than you needed over time your fat cells
use up the percentage of the stored saturated fat and increase the percentage of the stored polyunsaturated fat so that as you get older and fatter or even if you don't get fatter as you get older your fat tissue becomes more polyunsaturated so that each time you get hungry or stressed and draw on your fat stores for energy it is more anti-thyroid and more pro-estrogenic because of its increasing polyunsaturation with time. So with a common recommendation of this is a common recommendation I make is include three tablespoons of coconut oil in your diet a day
but of course if we're talking about someone who only burns 700 calories a day would you still make that same recommendation to do three tablespoons of coconut oil? No, more like a small teaspoon three times a day. Right, so I think basically what our listeners and we have to keep in mind is that everybody's metabolism is at a different rate and if someone's eating a 1200 calorie a day diet and it's like perfect and they say I can hardly anything well that's probably because they're only burning 700 and they just keep gaining weight on 1200.
Alright so is there any way then perhaps for those people who probably we're talking about right now to be able to assess their metabolic rate given that that is what is driving how well they do or don't lose weight? One way is just to look everything up in a food analysis chart and measure the amount of calories you're eating every day but another way is to calculate or take note of the fluid that you drink, milk, juice, coffee, total volume of fluid intake in a day and measure the
total volume of urine output in the same period of time and the difference is what's evaporated and in an average level of activity and average relative humidity a person will generally evaporate a liter per thousand calories burned. So if you have only a missing liter of fluid in the day you know you're only burning a thousand calories. So if someone gets a half a gallon of fluid a day and they only pee out say a couple cups then you know that they're very their system is very low thyroid.
Well yeah. I mean sorry very high thyroid. A pint out of two liters that's a 1500 calorie burning so that's not very much either. Right but if somebody drinks a half a gallon and they practically pee you know. A quart and a half that's very bad. Bad ratio. And a half a gallon that would be about two liters? Yeah. I just thought we might want to remind listeners that it is 730 and the phone lines are open if people want to call in and have any questions about the subject tonight.
Or any other subject that they're interested in relating to the. Thank you Jordan. Okay so excuse me I know you also are very keen that females and males do everything they can to limit their exposure to estrogen for all its negative effects. Estrogen dominant females this is something else that you brought out that it's not you don't always take it for granted that estrogen dominated dominant females would be overweight with those what we typically imagine is estrogen tendencies but actually you could get a slender slender woman based on the same
the same conditions with estrogen. In the animal studies they've seen that estrogen excites some of the metabolic processes while slowing others down and it can make the animals hyperactive but very slender and in people it there are cases where it can do that same thing it can make a woman tense very hyper active and over sensitive and very skinny but it can do the other it can turn on the stress metabolism while it slows the metabolism lowering the body temperature for example and that can lead to
excess fat storage. And that's the same in men as well excess estrogen can make some men very thin and excess estrogen can make some men overweight. Is there any surefire way of differentiating one condition in the two separate physical pictures? No nothing that I'm... Do you know what the the biological preference is for driving driving in one or the other direction? No. Okay alright I had to ask but I'm sure there's something more you'll bring out in a bit. We've got two callers on the line Dr. Peat so let's
take the first of the two callers. You're on the air? This is David, hello. Hi David. Where are you calling from tonight David? Yeah I think that's the other thing I want to bring everyone's attention. Let's find out where everyone's from. I am from Missouri Missouri. And I've actually talked to Sarah a few times and emailed and emailed Dr. Peat. I really appreciate this show by the way I've listened to these podcasts. I've downloaded every podcast that you've done You're very welcome. And that's what I listen to when I drive
and I just sometimes I've listened to several of these over several times. And there's a lot in there. It takes a while to unpack it. Oh yeah I know it's just amazing how it seems like each week that goes by I just understand this more and more at a deeper level and I just I love it. Well iPods are useful then. Absolutely. And we're very grateful for Dr. Peat. I've got two different sets of questions that still pertain to everything you've talked about tonight One is I have a fairly weak
left knee and so I've been kind of experimenting with using a rebounder. I've got two different types. A more soft one and then one that's a little bit firmer. And I kind of go back and forth between the two. I do very light you know just bouncing and then also running in place or jogging. And I usually try to do that you know like three to five minutes and I do that several times to the day if I'm at home working I'm just curious what you think of that. Dr. Peat?
I don't know if there's much benefit to the bouncing. It does strengthen your bones I guess the compression and concussion but something that builds more massive muscles stress even though it isn't fatiguing just resistance training in little bursts I think would help to raise your androgens and strengthen the connective tissues That was one of the questions I was going to ask you Dr. Peat. So just using like different weights and not doing too much stress but trying to do a certain amount of repetitions where you're just strengthening the muscles
that is a good thing to do. Yeah make the muscle know that it's been active warm it up a little but not enough to make you get out of breath or anything. And then what do you feel about just doing basic yoga you know like doing different postures and holding those postures where you're actually holding the muscles in a semi-stressed state but then relaxing it Yeah that kind of stress is good for the muscles Okay and then the other thing I wanted to ask you about you know I've I've been using the 250 watt
bulbs that you had recommended and I've got three of those and I use those in different places around the house because I'm a photographer I have light stands so it makes it kind of easy to move them around but I'm curious you know because you've talked about the stress of darkness before you you know after the sun goes down and as you go into the evening before you go to bed do you think it's useful to use those right before going to bed like say for 15 minutes to a half hour and then maybe
when you arrive in the morning maybe doing it for a half hour like while you're drinking your coffee or I think so and I'm basing that on some studies that were done on plant tissues about 30 or 40 years ago they found that any kind of tissue put in sunlight or ultraviolet light got some excited free radicals or excited electrons and shining red light on those would just immediately quench those that had been excited but if you keep living tissue in the dark it starts building up more of those excited electrons over a period of
30 minutes or so you can see an increase in them. Wow that's great okay and then just one last question is dreaming a sign that you're having a certain degree of stress through the night rather than being in a deep sleep where you're not remembering your dreams when you wake up in the morning and when you wake up in the middle of the night? Yeah the metabolism has these cycles the 24-hour cycle is the basic thing but it is subdivided into roughly 90-minute cycles of ups and downs where the blood sugar and the adrenaline
everything is mobilized a little bit and if your liver is running short on fuel the cycles become more intense and the dream cycles go with drops in the blood sugar and surges of the nerve chemicals such as adrenaline. So if you were having a really great dream that was exhilarating and you felt really good about when you woke up would that still be the case because it's actually causing you to awaken? Yeah except that's probably that your whole system recognizes that it has been rested and it's time to get up and eat something
and that's often why you have dreams in the early hours in the morning because that's when you run out of sugar at that point. Yeah that makes sense. What were you going to say Dr. Peat? If your body is well rested from six or eight hours of sleep then the dreams are likely to have a very pleasant quality getting ready to go out and do something. It's preparing you to wake up as opposed to the nightmares. Yeah as opposed to the 1am nightmares. So that means that your body is really stressed out and it's
not getting what it needs. Thank you so much for your call. Thank you. Okay we've got two more callers so let's take the next caller. Hi and where are you from? Yeah I'm calling from Piercy. Okay just down the road. I turned the radio on just in the midst of the subject about urinating and taking in fluid. My question is if you take in a half gallon of fluid a day and you pee out most of that is that healthy or is that unhealthy? It shows that you're not evaporating
very much so in an extremely humid climate that wouldn't be so bad but if you're indoors and have a relative humidity of about 50 then it means that your metabolism is slow and not producing much heat. I see. So you want a certain amount of evaporation when the atmosphere is in fact dry. Yeah very healthy like 12 to 15 year old people burn fuel very wastefully but that's when people are the least likely to die is when they're wasting fuel like crazy. So basically when you say least likely to what? To die? To die yeah
around 12 to 15 people are the healthiest and most resistant to stress. So Dr. Peat. It's not based on wasting fuel though is it? Yeah it looks like a waste to eat thousands of calories a day when you're not doing anything but it's good for you. I see. So a fast metabolism is that what you're saying? Is it a healthier metabolism? Yeah the wasteful energy metabolism. Gotcha. To answer another question caller if you burn or evaporate half of what you drink so you pee out the other half that's pretty much normal in our climate.
Wouldn't you agree Dr. Peat? If you drink maybe three quarts of liquid. And you pee out a quart and a half? Yeah. I see that would be about an average norm. Right because we don't have that high humidity like they do in the South. Okay. So you say that we don't have the high... oh okay gotcha gotcha especially during the summertime obviously. Even drier. Yes. Alright. Real good. Thank you. Thank you for your call. Alright let's take the next call. Hi you're on the air? Hello Dr. Peat.
I'm reading... oh this is a fascinating show. Thank you so much. Where are you from caller? I'm Southern Humboldt. Okay. I'm reading that one side effect of anti-anxiety and antidepressant drugs is weight gain. Do you know how this works or do you know how these drugs work at all? If they increase your exposure to serotonin or decrease your adrenaline they'll slow your metabolic rate and make it harder to burn calories. Yeah that's interesting. Okay. Thank you so much. And you know just how... I'm reading also that they don't really... there's no conclusive studies as to
relating a low serotonin level with any mental state. So anyway... Yeah they're not even sure how those SSRIs work anyways. Now they're saying that it really doesn't have much to do with serotonin. Yeah and they don't have a very good way of describing the topography of the receptors and all of that. So if you can elucidate any on that I would appreciate it. I'll just hang up now and listen. Thank you for your call. So Dr. Peat I guess the last question was how are these antidepressants making people feel better
if it's not... if they are... if it has nothing to do with serotonin increasing or decreasing or anything at all with serotonin? They all work in slightly different ways. So you have to think about each one individually. Maybe we should have a special time to go over some of those specific chemicals. Okay that sounds great. Okay well thanks for the call as it has been. Okay so the lines are open. From now until 8 o'clock if you live in the area numbers 1 800 KMUD Rad. If you live outside the area
the numbers 923... I beg your pardon if you live outside the area the numbers 1 800 KMUD Rad. If you're in the area it's 923 3911. Okay so Dr. Peat just carrying on with the topic of the ideal diet that I know you've suggested before which I know Sarah deals with quite a lot of people with this and you're mentioning the quart of OJ. Do you want to mention what you would normally be recommending? Well if you were... if Dr. Peat would recommend something like a quart of orange juice, a quart of milk a day
and you wanted to lose weight, I mean you wouldn't have much room for anything else if you only burn 700 calories a day. Well if you use 1% butterfat milk that's only 400 calories per quart where whole milk would be almost twice that much. And one of the tricks of orange juice is that there are some good chemicals in it which are anti-astrogenic and some other fruits, tropical fruits are some of the anti-estrogens are very important for the metabolism as well as the minerals and type of sugar and such.
So there's compounds you're saying in OJ even? Yeah. That are anti-estrogenic? Yeah and with milk it isn't just the protein but the calcium is very important as an anti-inflammatory, anti- stress, anti-depressant and so on. People who eat the same number of calories without milk are much more likely to be fat than the people who are regular milk drinkers. Why don't you tell us about your experience when you were in Finland I think it was, Finland and Russia? Well, in Russia and Slavic countries in general I found that there was really no
reliably good milk in the cities and the people all had bad teeth and were fat. And food was very cheap but milk was scarce and probably proteins in general weren't as cheap as the average food. But crossing over the border into Finland it was very impressive to see how many stores had displays of cheese in the window. And the people were all healthy looking and slender compared to the other side of the border. Well we noticed the same thing in France. You go to France and everywhere they all eat cheese.
And for the most part they're all very slender. So I guess what you're saying is that 400 calories from orange juice is not comparative to 400 calories from baked potatoes and rice. Definitely not. It stimulates your metabolism and suppresses the stress hormones. Whereas 400 calories from baked potato and rice would increase your stress hormones and suppress your metabolism. Yeah. Then there's the matter of the starch particles. If you don't have some saturated fat with them the starch particles can set up a whole pattern of stress and injury by entering your bloodstream. Which people
taking supplements should be very careful to avoid anything with particles such as titanium dioxide or silica. Those are very allergenic particles that are in all supplements practically. And those things getting into the bloodstream trigger the stress hormones and obesity is the least of the things they contribute to. Okay we've got a few more callers on the line Dr. Peat. So let's take this first caller. You're on the air and where are you from? Hello? Hello you're on the air and where are you from? I've been trying to lose some weight
and I've been weighing myself periodically at night time as well in the morning. And it seems to me that I'm I lose about five pounds of weight sleeping. Some nights I've noticed I've urinated. Sometimes I haven't urinated. It seems always about the same about five pounds. And I'm wondering where this five pounds goes if it's with heat and if there's a relationship between being cold at night and warm at night. Whether you lose more weight in cooler climates than you would in warmer. Even though warmer climate people seem to be thinner than cooler climate people.
It depends on how you respond to the cold. Some people steam up the windows of the bedroom so the window runs water down and collects at the bottom of the window sill in the morning. Those are people who lose a lot of weight by evaporation during the night. You can see the water collecting on the cool surfaces. And then people in warmer climates are warmer so their metabolism stay up during the night. And they probably are thinner because of that, right Dr. Peat? Yeah. When your body temperature drops
in the night because you're slowing it down to resist the stress. But if you reach a certain temperature you turn on the inflammatory stress-producing hormones and so you get not only the darkness but the cold extremities causing stress. It's better to be comfortable if you're actually trying to shed weight. It's better to be comfortable at night, correct? Yeah. Okay. So that's reaching the low temperatures you mean, Dr. Peat? Yeah. If your feet reach 90 degrees Fahrenheit, they're producing toxic stress-inducing substances. So don't run around barefoot with cold feet.
We're always telling our nieces that. Always make sure to get the socks on. I know my grandma's always... That's incredible. Here it is. An advocate for keeping your feet warm when you get out of bed. Cold head. Yeah. Well, cold head and cold feet. Some people taking a warm foot bath at bedtime and then putting on warm socks and a wool cap sleep a lot better. Okay. We have two more callers. So thanks for your call, caller. It's a lot. Hi, next caller. You're on the air? I'm here. Hello? Hello, I'm here.
Hi. Where are you calling from? Is that me? Yes, it's you. Where are you calling from? I'm calling from Phillipsville. Phillipsville. Okay. That's 15 miles up the road. Okay. Go ahead. Well, there's a couple of questions I had. One, I'm curious. In the beginning, you said something about eating food that tastes delicious to you, was good for you, but you didn't say what foods those were. It varies with the person, but you should try to avoid the things that affect your metabolism harmfully, like starches and polyunsaturated fats. And some plant materials are toxic. But otherwise,
just what appeals to you... Is it good to eat whole grains like brown rice and millet? No, there's almost nothing of value in those. Even if it's not processed? I don't mean like white rice. Well, the white rice is relatively free of irritants and toxins, but it has very little of food value in it. Well, I thought brown rice had a lot of vitamins and fiber and things that were good for you. Not compared to, say, orange juice. How about ice cream? You know, a good ice cream that doesn't have chemicals in it, like
Haagen-Dazs or something. Is that good for you or not? I mean, it's got high calories. Yeah, I mean, if you're trying to lose weight, then I wouldn't recommend you eat ice cream. But if you're not trying to lose weight, you're happy with your weight, and you're having trouble sleeping, it can help a lot of people go to sleep. Milk and sugar is a bad food combination. Uh-huh. I heard that... No, I wouldn't agree with that at all, Jordan. If you have, like, some cheese or a small glass of milk or something, that there's something
in that that helps you sleep? Yeah, milk contains a good balance all in itself, because it has some fat, some protein, and some sugar. Well, I don't drink milk, but I do put half and half in my coffee in the morning. Does that count? I didn't hear that. I said I don't usually drink milk by itself, but I put half and half in my coffee in the morning. Does that count? Well, no, that's mostly cream. Well, and that's not good? I mean, it's fats, cream, and milk.
Well, it's okay if it goes with other food, such as protein and sugars. Now, you mentioned orange juice a lot, but what other fruit juices? I tend to really enjoy other fruit juices, like berry juice and peach juice and carrot juice and cherry juice and all kinds of different juices, you know, that don't have sugar in them. And I tend to drink them like half diluted with water, so they're not so strong. But I've had people tell me that it's not good for me because it has too much sugar in it and too many calories.
So what do you think about juices other than orange juice? Many juices are good. It's the minerals and antioxidants, as well as the sugar that are important. But grapefruit juice, for example, has a chemical that causes your liver to increase estrogen in the body. Oh, no, I don't mean grapefruit juice. I'm thinking of, you know, like apricot juice, peach juice, berry juice, grape juice, those kinds. Grape juice is very good as long as you consider the calories. It has more concentrated calories than orange juice. Some tropical fruits are very good. Guava, for example. Mango.
Carrot juice is another one that should be avoided, except in small amounts because of the high carotene content. It's very metabolically suppressive. Oh, it is? It antagonizes both thyroid and progesterone. What's good for thyroid? You know, what's good for like stimulating your metabolism so that you, you know, you burn calories quicker, but you know, you won't have an overactive thyroid. Milk, cheese and some of the fruit juices are the best things. Right. So 400 calories from fruit juice isn't going to be the same as eating 400 calories of brown rice.
The 400 calories of brown rice is going to be much more metabolically suppressive than the 400 calories from fruit juice. Yeah. Thank you for your call. But it is a couple of minutes to the top of the hour. And I want to make sure that the listeners who are tuned in get to know Dr. Raymond Peat's contact details. So unfortunately, we've come to the end of this show, Dr. Peat. Thanks so much for your input and your your wisdom. And I'm sorry we couldn't get to you. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
They had two more callers on the line, but I'm afraid we couldn't we couldn't get you. Join us next month, March 15th. So those people have listened to us and Dr. Raymond Peat most especially his contact details at WWW dot Ray Peat dot com full of us as what we would call scientific articles, folks. So not just hearsay, not just things that he's come up with, but a lot of his articles are fully referenced. So there's plenty of science behind it. And that's R.A.Y.P.E.A.T. Dotcom.
OK, so lots of articles there for people to read. And even the subject we've mentioned this evening, there's plenty of information there. So thanks again for all the callers. And we can also be reached toll free Monday through Friday. One eight eight eight WBM herb. So until the third Friday of next month, which is March 15th. Yeah, we we look forward to speaking with Dr. Peat again and with those people who've tuned in.
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